The costs of the Tornado/Harrier decision: Was the advice given to the Prime Minister in private accurate?
Introduction.
1. It is understood that the Prime Minister was advised that the savings to be made from withdrawing either Tornado GR4 or the Harrier GR9 from service were similar and that the Tornado GR4 aircraft was more important to our strategic defence posture. He was also advised that withdrawal from service of HMS Ark Royal would provide further overall savings if the Harrier GR9 was to be withdrawn. The efficacy and wisdom of this advice has now been challenged by current events (the Libyan crisis) and by certain financial figures released by the government.
Financial.
2. In a written response to Menzies Campbell (North East Fife, Liberal Democrat), 2 December 2010, Nick Harvey (Minister of State (Armed Forces), Defence; North Devon, Liberal Democrat) gave the detailed figures on how much was spent on running costs for each RAF base in the UK in the last five financial years and also gave equivalent figures for the financial year 2010-11. These figures (in £ millions) show the following [RAF Marham and RAF Lossiemouth for Tornado: RAF Cottesmore and RAF wittering for Harrier].
Base costs for Tornado GR4 over six years were £1.468 billion.
Base costs for Harrier GR9 over six years were £1.065 billion.
3. Had wisdom and fiscal common sense prevailed, the Prime Minister should have been informed that the Royal Navy Harrier GR9 Strike Wing could easily be transferred from RAF Cottesmore to RAF Wittering. Had this taken place during the last six years, the cost of associated Tornado [RAF Marham and Lossiemouth] and Harrier [RAF Wittering] bases would have been as follows.
Base costs for Tornado GR4 over six years would have been £1.468 billion.
Base costs for Harrier GR9 over six years would have been £0.492 billion.
4. Even with the closure of RAF Lossiemouth, the associated cost of RAF bases would have been as follows.
Base costs for Tornado GR4 over six years would have been £0.835 billion.
Base costs for Harrier GR9 over six years would have been £0.492 billion.
5. On the best government information available therefore, it is reasonable to assume that over the next four years:
a) RAF base support for Tornado GR4 at RAF Marham would cost approximately £557 million.
b) RAF base support for Harrier GR9 at RAF Wittering would cost approximately £328 million
– a saving of £229 million with Harrier.
6. If you subtract from this saving the declared cost of running on HMS Ark Royal for four years at £105 million (Mr Robathan, Minister of Defence, House of Commons), there remains a saving of £124 million.
Operational.
7. Significant savings would also accrue from the lower operating cost of the Harrier GR9 which is:
a) Single seat as opposed to twin seat.
b) Single engine as opposed to twin engine.
c) A newer airframe that is not beset by the severe airworthiness and maintenance problems of the Tornado GR4.
d) Carrier capable and are therefore not reliant on expensive air to air refuelling assets for deployment to combat theatres such as Libya.
8. It cost the taxpayer at least £200,000 in fuel alone to get one Tornado to the Libyan Theatre and back using air to air refuelling (£1.4 million on the first two nights of operations to Libya). One Harrier mission from the deck of HMS Ark Royal would have cost less than £6,000 in fuel. Even from its base in Italy, each Tornado mission will require air to air refuelling and will cost in excess of £22,000. 50 Tornado flights over Libya from Italy will therefore cost in excess of £1.1 million. 50 Harrier flights over Libya would have cost less than £300,000.
9. One must add to these figures the major cost of pre-positioning the Tornado detachment in Italy with all its necessary logistic and maintenance support. No such costs would be attributable to operations of the Harrier from the deck of HMS Ark Royal.
10. It should also be noted that the suppression of Gaddafi’s heavy and light armoured resources and artillery will best be conducted by a timely response from ground attack aircraft. 12 Harrier GR9 aircraft in HMS Ark Royal would be able to generate such a capability, flying up to 24 single aircraft missions per day and being only a short distance from the target area. The Tornado GR4 aircraft based in Italy have a much slower response time to “wheels off the ground” and have a transit time of at least one hour to the target area – reducing the likelihood of the target still being available for attack.
Conclusions.
11. It is clear from all the above that the Harrier/HMS Ark Royal option is by far and away the most cost-effective option and the most operationally effective option for servicing the needs of the Libyan operation, “Odyssey Dawn”.
12. For operations further afield than Libya, it is probable that the land-based Tornado GR4 will not have access to friendly airfields close to the combat theatre – leaving Britain without any capability to deter or respond to such crises with land-based air power.
13. The Prime Minister was given the wrong advice concerning the wisdom of withdrawing Harrier/HMS Ark Royal from service instead of Tornado GR4.
STOP PRESS.
In tomorrow’s Sun newspaper:
In the strongest statement of our progress in Libya yet, Air Vice Marshal Greg Bagwell said: "We've blown up all their airplanes.”
Really, Air Marshal? Much as I respect your frontline aircrew, it is sad that I have to remind you that it was the Royal Navy and the U.S. Navy Tomahawks that blew up all Gaddafi’s aeroplanes on the ground – not your Tornadoes! Four Tornadoes did indeed launch Storm Shadow from way out at sea against hardened buildings and well done them on achieving three hits out of four!
"Our RAF planes are now operating across the entire country of Libya." Do you really need to exaggerate so wildly? Libya is 700 miles x 900 miles in dimension and your one or two aircraft are everywhere?



Oops, I mean 8 sorties per Harrier per day in my previous comment. That's still four times more than the 2 per day each Tornado would do with AAR.
ReplyDeleteAnd......breathe!
ReplyDeleteLet it go Sharkey m8. Even ignoring the factual errors, your bias and selective 'evidence' is so obvious that you condemn your rantings to the part of the internet we all read for a bit of a laugh. No-one takes this guff seriously anymore.
Stick to what you know best...the RN in the 70's/80's and how to be a retired officer.
Sharkey you did not mention whether HMS Rustbucket would use any fuel while on patrol! Also fish and chips are cheaper in downham market than stamford. Quite a saving over the 6 years you state.
ReplyDeleteThe tonka is doing what it is designed to do, long range bombing demonstrating 'reach and speed' 2 things the navy does very very slowly (18-30kts!)
Why don't you accept flying is the RAF's job the clue is in the name.
What weapons would your beloved Harriers be using? More to the point - where can I get some of your rose (or should that be navy?) tinted glasses?
ReplyDeleteCommander N D MacCartan-Ward DSC AFC RN (ret’d)
ReplyDeleteSir,
In 1999, during ALLIED FORCE, SHARs were a PR gimmick that were not considered 'good enough' to even be on the initial ATO and, when they were finally brought to theatre, were not tasked into real threat areas.
What contribution do you think the same aircraft would offer 12 years later over Libya?
What upgrades, and at what expense, do you think could or should have been made to them in the intervening period to make them a credible 21st Century AD (or multi-role) asset?
Were the Harrier GR.9 to have been retained under SDSR instead of the Tornado GR.4, it would now be heavily committed in Afghanistan. What level of force generation do you feel would be possible for the Libyan operation from those retained in the UK as operational reserve and for training? Moreover, given the actual weapons carrying capability of the GR.9, how do you see their capabilities could have been applied?
I look forward to your response. However, given that this is my third attempt at encouraging your expert analysis of these points, without success, I'm beginning to think your posts are less about analysing the subject and more about cherry picking facts and non-facts to suit a personal agenda.
Yours sincerely,
Willie Garvin
Commander N D MacCartan-Ward DSC AFC RN (ret’d)
ReplyDeleteSir,
The actual answer bt Nich Harvey MP began as follows:
"Under the current budgetary structure, the available figures for expenditure for RAF Stations in the UK since financial year 2005-06 and their planned budgets for financial year 2010-11 are contained in the following table. Expenditure on satellite and lodger units is included in the figures for the appropriate parent station. Service personnel pay costs are not attributable to individual stations from financial year 2009-10 and beyond."
What analysis and allowance have you made for the last two paragraphs? Namely, how much of the figures you present are attributed to "satellite and lodger units".
I look forward to your response.
Yours sincerely,
Willie Garvin
Reg.the AVM's statements yesterday..well Sharkey's (at least partially) right I'm afraid :) Who else to butt in at the wrong moment and embarass the RAF but the French (they've shot down a Galeb with a Rafale). It could be even more embarassing if it is one of the Rafales of the French Navy that did the job!
ReplyDeleteWhy should the RAF be embarrassed that one of our coalition partners has shot an aircraft down? If it turns out to be a land-based aircraft that did the shooting, does that mean that carriers are a waste of time? There is some seriously flawed logic at work here...
ReplyDeleteSome alternative views for you:
ReplyDeletea) Single seat as opposed to twin seat.
A Harrier pilot necessarily splits his time between looking at his targeting pod picture and flying his aircraft. In comparison, a Tornado navigator can devote all his attention to monitoring his targeting pod, meaning that searches can be carried out more quickly or more thoroughly as appropriate. Tornado has won plaudits for the quality of service provided to FACs in Afghanistan since it replaced Harrier there.
b) Single engine as opposed to twin engine.
Which means that Harrier has no redundancy for engine failure, and cannot bring a full load of weapons back to the carrier in hot weather. In contrast, an engine failure on Tornado leads only to the jettison of fuel tanks (and possibly weapons), not to the loss of the whole aircraft.
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c) A newer airframe that is not beset by the severe airworthiness and maintenance problems of the Tornado GR4.
ReplyDeleteThe FACT is that Tornado sqns have achieved 98% to 100% ATO completion rate in Afghanistan since replacing the Harrier. I am not aware of any airworthiness problems with Tornado; in any case the aircraft would not be allowed to fly in such a condition in the post-Haddon Cave era.
d) Carrier capable and are therefore not reliant on expensive air to air refuelling assets for deployment to combat theatres such as Libya.
Let's say you want to keep a pair of aircraft on-station 24/7. Assume a Harrier needs a 15-minute transit from the carrier and can remain on station for 1.5 hours without AAR (unlikely). With a 1-hour turnround on the carrier, this means that four Harriers need to fly 8 sorties each per day. Four Tornados at Gioia, with a 1-hour transit each way and 6 hours on-station with AAR support, only need to fly 2 sorties each per day. This represents fewer sortie cycles, reducing maintenance expense, airframe fatigue and demanding less of the crews. If you were to extend the Harrier sortie lengths using AAR, your proposed saving would disappear.
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-- No such costs would be attributable to operations of the Harrier from the deck of HMS Ark Royal.
ReplyDeleteNowhere in your recent series of blogs do you refer to the vast expense in fuel for the carrier, plying the Med at 25 knots, and its array of supporting ships. This includes the RFAs that will be continuously ferrying supplies to maintain 24/7 flying ops.
-- It should also be noted that the suppression of Gaddafi’s heavy and light armoured resources and artillery will best be conducted by a timely response from ground attack aircraft
Yes - and we've already seen that it is practicable to maintain continuous overhead GR4 coverage. Tornado is equipped with the ideal weapon for this scenario - the laser-guided, low-collateral DMS Brimstone, equipped with an anti-armour warhead. Harrier would have to drop LGBs (higher collateral damage risk) or TV/IR Maverick (large warhead and difficult to use in built-up areas).
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-- It is clear from all the above that the Harrier/HMS Ark Royal option is by far and away the most cost-effective option and the most operationally effective option
ReplyDeleteI think I just showed it's not clear at all. Don't write one-sided opinion pieces and draw firm conclusions from them.
-- For operations further afield than Libya, it is probable that the land-based Tornado GR4 will not have access to friendly airfields close to the combat theatre
Does this mean you accept that carriers aren't required for this campaign?
Anon
ReplyDeleteUnless there is a reason Harrier CANNOT be fitted for Brimstone, saying it doesnt have it is a very weak arguement.
We could have integrated all of our weapons onto harrier and typhoon with plenty of change left over if we retired Tornado.
Regarding the Anonymous' remarks to the AVM's "embarassment". Well, I was only trying to pull the RAF-leg a bit:) However, I have been referring to the statement "..the Libyan AF has, for all practical purposes, ceased to exist as an effective fighting force". Switch off the cameras - bang - there goes one Libyan jet down less than 24 hours later! Nothing much to it of course, but good enough to sustain the RAF v RN banter (or the RAF bashing by the RN types!)
ReplyDeleteTheRagingTory,
ReplyDelete-- We could have integrated all of our weapons onto harrier and typhoon with plenty of change left over if we retired Tornado.
I'm afraid not. Try approaching BAE Systems and asking them to integrate a weapon earlier than you originally asked for - and be prepared for a bill stretching into the £1000s of millions. It as just as easy as you intimate - unfortunately not as cheap, given the monopoly position held by our "favoured" supplier.
Anon
ReplyDeleteThe difference between keeping Harrier and Tornado was some £6bn, according to some sources.
Unlike most "pro carrier" bods, I accept the Harrier is pretty poor.
However, a fleet of Tranche 3 Typhoons with a supporting group of Harriers offers much more capability than a Fleet of Tranche 2 Typhoons and a supporting group of Tornados.
Tornado is better than harrier, but neither are our "main" air asset going forward, thats Typhoon. Harrier is a much better jet to assist Typhoon with, and the cost difference was so vast it would have paid for a truckload of improvements to the older improvable Typhoon airframes.
Mr. Quentin Davies: The cost of developing the original Brimstone Missile System was £370 million. Dual Mode Seeker (DMS) Brimstone was developed as a variant of the original Brimstone system. Development costs specifically for the DMS variant amounted to about £10 million.
ReplyDeleteAs an American, and fairly objective to the topic, I'd like to point out one main factor here.
ReplyDeleteThe political leaders who will not have their asses on the line in combat have gotten their bean counters to force a decision on both services. Hence pitting the two of you against one another, when really you should unite, and tell them to go do their dirty work themselves.
My point is this. They have shrunk military capabilities way to far... and boom up comes a crisis... Falklands, and this current affair come to mind.
Now if I am a Tornado pilot, and I get downed in Libya, or wherever, if you do not have dedicated helos to get you out, from a nearby operating base... and the 'Allies' have a downed pilot, who gets rescued first?
Why not drop a couple politicians in behind the lines, and see if they see the logic in properly maintained a balance force of arms, and not just pandering to social programs for votes!
I think this Libyan affair is their last chance to get their heads out of their butts, before the Argentinians really embarrass the UK in a big kind of way...